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Booger Transcript

November 2, 2019 by cpgronlund 1 Comment

[Listen]

[An ax chopping wood; THEME MUSIC plays…]

[Host: Christopher Gronlund]

I want to make one thing perfectly clear: this show is not about lumberjacks…

My name is Christopher Gronlund, and this is where I share my stories. Sometimes the stories contain truths, but most of the time, they’re made up. Sometimes the stories are funny—other times they’re serious. But you have my word about one thing: I will never—EVER—share a story about lumberjacks.

This time, it’s a story about a kid who makes a goopy monster in his bathtub…and the mayhem that follows its creation.

All right—let’s get to work…

* * *

[Narrator: Christopher Gronlund]

BOOGER

Bobby Simmons took one last look at the cup full of spit he’d been filling for two days before dumping it into his bathtub. He used his older brother’s hockey stick to mix his saliva into the mass of toenail clippings, urine, dirt, dog feces, toilet water, garbage, motor oil, decayed leaves, rocks, and the contents of the vacuum cleaner bag—and then bag itself. He was almost done, except for the final ingredient, the piece de resistance!

Digging deep into his nose, Bobby fished out a huge booger, the kind that feels like they’re connected to the bottom of your brain—the kind that feels good coming out. He balled it up and added it to the mass in the tub, like a tiny, mucous-covered maraschino cherry atop a compost sundae.

He then dropped in two 9-volt batteries, expecting the mass to ooze to life, but nothing happened. He figured the batteries would be enough to jump-start his creation; after all, when he touched his tongue to 9-volt batteries, it tingled and his mouth tasted like he was chewing aluminum foil. He needed something better, though—something more jolting, like lightning with Frankenstein’s monster.

Bobby once heard about a man who didn’t want to live anymore. The man filled his bathtub, climbed in, and dropped a live-wired toaster into the water. A jolt like that, Bobby hoped, would bring the heap to life, but his mother would scream at him if he ruined any kitchen appliances, even in the name of science. After giving it some thought, he grabbed his brother’s portable stereo; Justin wouldn’t need it—he was away at military school.

The cord on the stereo didn’t reach the tub, however, so Bobby got a long, orange extension cord from the garage that did the trick. When he plugged the stereo in, one of his brother’s rap CDs played.

S/FX:   RAP BEAT THROUGH THE JUSTIN SECTION

Justin fancied himself hardcore, despite being another rap-listening white boy living in an affluent suburb of Chicago. When he finally got his driver’s license, he let the whole world know by driving around in his tricked-out Honda Civic, windows down, bassin’ away. Blocks before he drove by a house, its inhabitants heard the THOOM-THOOM-THOOM of an Alpine subwoofer “pumpin’ new shit by NWA.” To complete the image, Justin wore his cap backwards, said “Yo!” a lot, and stopped calling his mother “Mom,” opting instead for “Bitch.”

“Yo, Bitch—s’up?” he said one morning in a bad accent culled from Boyz N the Hood. “Want me some muthafuckin’ Wheaties!”

A week later, he was shipped off to Saint John’s Military School, where drill instructors made Justin the bitch.

Bobby pulled the shower curtain to the wall and dropped the stereo in. Sparks sprayed from the wall outlet, collecting at his feet before going cold. He thought for sure he’d end up electrocuted, just like the guy in the tub with the toaster, but a big POP, followed by the smell of ozone and burning plastic told him the outlet was fried and that he was safe. A thick, foul-smelling smoke rolled over the edge of the tub. a gurgling sound like a carp sucking Jell-O through a straw came from the other side of the shower curtain. He pulled it back and stared in awe at his work.

“Wow…”

Standing before Bobby was a shambling mound ready to take its first sticky steps into a strange new world. It was covered with tiny pores that swelled and burst under pressure, like fissures at Yellowstone National Park. The resulting odor lingered somewhere between sulfur and catfish bait, crossed with the stench of a dead, bloated raccoon Bobby saw on the railroad tracks in the heat of the previous summer. A vile pile come to life.

The orange extension cord hung from its neck, like a ready-made leash just waiting to be used. Justin’s stereo made up the bulk of its head, the two speakers looking like over-sized eyes, the volume knob serving as a nose. Its mouth was a big, gurgling hole, and sticking out from its neck were the two 9-volt batteries, like those from the neck of Frankentein’s monster.

“Hello…?” Bobby said.

He expected a grunt or a growl, but instead, he was met with a wave of bass.

S/FX:   Bass THOOM THOOM THOOM

“What?” Bobby said.

S/FX:   Bass THOOM THOOM THOOM

Bobby reached up to the monster’s face and turned the volume down.

“You need a name,” Bobby said, as he noticed something sticking out like a wart beside the creature’s nose—something he pulled from his own nose several minutes before. “I’ve got it: Booger!”

A knock at the door startled Bobby; it was his mother.

“What are you doing in there?” she said.

“Nothing! Going to the bathroom.”

When Justin was twelve, he went through a phase where he locked himself in the bathroom, even though he didn’t have to go. He masked what he was doing behind closed doors by playing his stereo loudly. It drove his mother mad, and looking back, she attributed the beginning of his delinquency to those times spent alone in the bathroom.

“Stop that right now, young man!” She tried the doorknob, but it was locked.

“Stop what?”

His mother was taken off guard; she didn’t know how to say it. “Stop…that! You know…that!”

“Going to the bathroom?”

“I know what you’re doing! Your brother did it, too, and look where it got him.” She rattled the doorknob. “Unlock this door now, young man!“

Bobby pulled the shower curtain shut and cracked the door. He rocked back and forth, acting like he needed to get back to the toilet. When the stench reached his mother’s olfactory system, she crinkled her face in disgust and gasped for fresh air. Bobby capitalized on the moment.

“It’s your meatloaf,” he said, rocking even more. He looked back at the commode and rubbed his stomach. “I think it got to me. I don’t feel so good.”

His mother, defeated, covered her disappointment with anger. “Well when you’re done, clean your room! How many times do I have to ask you? And stop listening to that rap music—I heard you. Do you want to go to military school like your brother?”

Bobby’s mom yelled a lot. Justin said it stemmed from their father’s frequent business trips. Bobby never knew what was wrong with business trips—their father had to work, after all, and he needed to bring his pretty secretary along, right?

“Okay,” Bobby said, shutting the door. When he felt for sure his mom was gone, he pulled back the curtain and looked at his creation.

Booger was created for a simple purpose: to get revenge on Chad Earnst, the school bully. Chad picked on Bobby unmercifully. Whether it was a simple slap to the back of the head in the hallway, to an all-out beating, there was nothing Bobby feared more in life than the mere sight of Chad Earnst.

“We better get you to my room,” Bobby said to Booger, while reaching for the extension cord. He helped Booger get out of the bath tub and checked the door.  

As Bobby scoped out the hallway, making sure his mother was nowhere to be seen, Booger caught site of the mirror, stopping for a moment to admire itself. It reached up and fidgeted with its nose.

S/FX:   Bass THOOM THOOM THOOM

“Shh!” Bobby said. Booger turned the volume down and stared at the mirror. It reached out with a dripping pseudopod, touching its reflection, leaving behind a gooey smear, like lumpy oatmeal.                                      

When Bobby was sure the coast was clear, they made their way down the hallway, leaving behind a wet trail like the passing of a four-hundred and fifty-pound slug.

*   *  *

Bobby’s mother was quick to overreact when it came to the tiniest things: microscopic crumbs left on the kitchen counter, the garbage “dangerously” nearing the top of the kitchen garbage can, and stray drops of water left around the sink. To her, the presence of these little everyday messes was a reminder of just how little control she had over life. The day Bobby spilled grape juice on the living room floor, knowing full well that drinks were only allowed to be consumed over the safety of the linoleum floor in the breakfast nook, his mother went over the edge for an entire week, working at cleaning the stain so furiously and often that she ended up rubbing a hole in the carpet. The only thing that could fix the mess that was “all Bobby’s fault” was new carpet. But when Bobby’s mother got on him about cleaning his room, however, it was not without reason.

Plates encrusted with the remnants of old dinners found a safe home beneath piles of dirty clothes. Comic books and video games were stacked in groups resembling ziggurats, and plastic Coke bottles crunched beneath heaps of paper when Bobby walked across the floor. Any mother—even one as profoundly clean as Bobby’s—had every right to demand that their son clean such a dump.

Booger slid to the corner of the bedroom, out of Bobby’s way. The creature seemed at home in the mess, the room so cluttered and dirty that it could serve as camouflage for Booger if Bobby’s mother poked her head in to see what kind of progress he was making. Booger belonged in that bedroom, a tall, upright extension of the clutter on the floor.

“I gotta clean this up. When we’re done, though, we’ll go have some fun.”

Bobby had a simple plan: he’d leave Booger in the small forest on the outskirts of Memorial Park, where Chad Earnst spent all his freetime smoking stolen cigarettes and roughing up sixth graders. Bobby would go to the edge of the park and shout, “Hey Chad, I fucked your mother!” and run for the treeline. Chad, of course, would follow, only to find himself face-to-face with Bobby’s newly created bodyguard. Bobby would explain to Chad that if he ever sucker punched him in the hallway again, or beat him up when they got off the bus after school, that he’d have to answer to Booger. Problem solved.

Bobby started filling the first of what would take several garbage bags to hold all the trash that had accumulated on his bedroom floor over the past couple months. It would be an all-day task, and he debated sneaking out, but his mother had been threatening military school more frequently, and with a brother already at St. John’s, he knew the threats actually carried with them some certain weight.

When Bobby had filled the first garbage bag, he set it near Booger, who had taken a great interest in what Bobby was doing. Bobby shook the second bag open, and as he started filling it, he noticed the first bag was nowhere to be seen.

“Booger, did you do something with the bag?”

S/FX:   Bass THOOM THOOM THOOM

“Huh?” Before Booger could belt out more bass, Bobby shaked his hands and said, “Nevermind, it’s cool.”

Bobby picked up a handful of trash and brought it toward his new friend.

“You hungry, pal? You want some of this?”

Booger’s gaping maw opened, and mixed in with the sticky goo that seemed to comprise much of Booger’s mass were the remains of the first garbage bag. When Bobby tossed the trash in, Booger welcomed the snack.

“Cool…”

As Bobby gathered more garbage from the floor, Booger reached down with a sticky pseudopod, gathering an armful of debris. It raised the mass toward its mouth, before stopping and looking at Bobby, like it was waiting for permission.

“Yeah, that’s cool. Go ahead, eat it.” Bobby gestured toward the room. “Eat everything on the floor if you want.”

In a matter of minutes, aside from the sticky residue left behind as Booger made his way around the room, Bobby’s bedroom was spotless.

“All right!”

What would have taken Bobby all day was done in minutes. But Booger wasn’t finished. As it “cleaned” beneath Bobby’s desk, he didn’t stop at just the pile behind Bobby’s chair. Booger ate the chair before making short work of the final mound.

“No! Booger, not the chair. Only the garbage!”

Booger looked down at Bobby.

S/FX:   Bass THOOM THOOM THOOM

“I’ll take that as an apology?” Bobby said.

But his room was now clean, he took Booger by the extension cord and said, “Come on—let’s go.”

*   *    *

Bobby was making his way toward the back door when he heard his mother. He stopped, but Booger didn’t; he bumped Bobby’s back, smearing it with warm garbage. He shoved Booger back, getting even more garbage and slime on him. His mother was walking their way.

“Shh…” he whispered to Booger.

S/FX:   Bass THOOM THOOM THOOM

“What?!” Bobby’s mother said as she got closer. “Bobby, is that you?”

Bobby poked his head around the corner. “I’m sorry, Mom—I stubbed my toe.”

She was still walking Bobby’s way; he stepped out to block her, but she walked right by, missing everything. Bobby quickly ushered Booger to the other side of the entry to the kitchen. Just in time. His mother turned around and made her way toward the front door.

“I hope you don’t think you’re going anywhere, young man. Have you cleaned your room? I can smell that pig sty all the way out here.”

“I’m cleaning it right now. I just need to get a couple more garbage bags from the kitchen.”

“Well, if you’d just keep it clean, you wouldn’t have to spend an entire Saturday cleaning, would you?” She pointed to the living room. “Do you see how clean the rest of the house is? It doesn’t take much time…just a little here and there.”

Just a little here and there consisted of practically fulltime work for Bobby’s mother. Most people could spend an hour cleaning their house and be content with the results, but Mrs. Simmons took clean to the molecular level. Bobby’s brother, Justin, blamed it on the medicine she took, but Bobby had a remote feeling that it somehow had to do with his father’s trips away from home.

“Okay, Mom…I’ll start doing that.”

Mrs. Simmons straightened the door mat and left the house.

“Whew!” Bobby said.

S/FX: CRASHING POTS AND PANS

He remembered that Booger was in the kitchen. Alone.

Booger was eating the toaster when Bobby stepped into the kitchen. The creature had already devoured his mother’s mixer and blender, and had also—from the looks of things—eaten two of the four chairs in the breakfast nook. Slime was everywhere.

Booger! No! Come on, stop!”

Bobby rushed over, hoping to save the toaster, but it was too late—it had already gone somewhere deep inside Booger to join its Kitchen-Aid cousins in the belly of the beast.

S/FX:   Bass THOOM THOOM THOOM

Bobby looked at the mess made in the kitchen, shook his head, and said, “Let’s just go…”

*   *   *

“You wait right here,” Bobby said to Booger. They were standing just inside the treeline on the far side of Memorial Park.

“Don’t go anywhere, and try not to eat stuff, okay?”

S/FX:   Bass THOOM THOOM THOOM

“Yeah, yeah, whatever,” Bobby muttered as he headed off in search of Chad Earnst. And there he was, just as Bobby expected, terrorizing a group of younger kids, pinning them to the ground and blowing smoke into their faces. Bobby stopped halfway across the field between the trees and the park, making sure he had enough distance between himself and Chad so he could make it back to the safety of the woods.

“Hey…Chad! I fucked your mother!” Bobby bellowed.

As predictable as a Swiss watch, Chad jumped to his feet.

“Simmons? You wantin’ to die?!”

“Yeah, that’s it!” Bobby shouted. “Only I don’t think you have what it takes, you pussy.”

Chad Earnst spat his cigarette to the ground, pointed Bobby’s way, and yelled, “Dead man walking!”

Bobby turned and ran; Chad Earnst followed, making up the distance between the two faster than Bobby had planned. He could hear Chad getting closer—if he could only reach the trees, he’d be safe. He heard Chad’s raspy breath catching up as he pushed into the maples and oaks and rushed to the spot where he’d left Booger. The monster was nowhere to be seen.

“Booger?” Bobby said, but the only answer was Chad saying, “Time to die, Simmons. Time to die…”

Chad Earnst made his way toward Bobby, cracking his knuckles and walking slowly with purpose. Chad was experienced in beating the snot out of anyone who gave him a sideways glance, or looked the other way, and he took great pleasure in dragging the terror of his victims out. It made the beating all-the-more satisfying to him—smelling that fear. Bobby was backed up against a tree, Chad Eart’s smoky breath right in his face, threatening the beating of a lifetime, when Bobby heard Booger eating something in the trees.

“Booger! Help!”

“What’s with this booger shit, bitch?” Chad said.

Bobby smiled. “Why don’t you turn around and find out.”

Even though Bobby was now looking at Chad from behind, he could tell Chad’s Levi’s had gone wet with fear. Urine creeped down his legs as he looked up at the towering mound of garbage lurking above.

“What the fuck is that?”

“That’s Booger. He’s my bodyguard,” Bobby said. “So if you ever mess with me again, you’ll have Booger to answer to. Right Booger?”

Bobby was waiting for Booger’s aggressive bass or hardcore rap lyrics to drop from Booger’s speaker eyes, but instead all he heard was a sickening SLURP as Booger swallowed Chad Earnst whole.

“No! Booger! You weren’t supposed to eat him!”

S/FX:   Bass THOOM THOOM THOOM

“You’re gonna get me sent to military school, just like Justin. I can’t go to military school. It’s not my thing! Booger, come on, cough him up.”

Bobby began pushing on what he figured was Booger’s stomach, but had no luck, and he realized that irritating the mound may result in a similar fate as Chad Earnst’s. Bobby had to come up with something…quick!

He grabbed a branch from a tree and shoved it down Booger’s throat, hoping the creature’s anatomy worked like a human’s and something pushing down its throat would result in a gag reflex, bringing Chad up in a flood of sticky vomit. But Booger ate the branch, too.

“Booger, no!”

Booger looked down at Bobby, clearly not understanding what he had done wrong. Bobby grabbed the orange extension cord from Booger’s neck and led the creature home as quickly as he could.

*    *    *

“You stay here. Understand?”

Bobby shook his head, left his bedroom, and ran for the garage. He didn’t want to do it, but desperate times called for desperate measures. He grabbed his father’s circular saw. He’d never used a powertool, but there was no better time than now to learn than now. He had seen Booger’s stomach convulsing with Chad’s struggles…there was still time to save him.

As Bobby made his way through the kitchen, he heard his mother’s car pulling up out front. From his bedroom, he heard crashing and banging—this was the day his mother would have too much, this is the day he’d be shipped off to military school, he was sure of it.

He ran to the bedroom, prepared to cut Booger open wide, freeing his enemy from the creature’s gooey gut. The thought devastated Bobby—with a specter of a father, a mother who liked cleaning more than her second-born child, and a brother he hadn’t seen in a year, the eight-foot mound of garbage tearing up his bedroom was the closest thing he had to family. He wondered if Booger could somehow be trained; he wondered if the circular saw would kill his new best friend. He heard his mother open the front door open…moments later, he heard his mother screaming downstairs.

“Bobby Simmons, what is this mess?!”

He ran into his bedroom, slamming the door behind. Things were only getting worse—Booger had eaten Bobby’s dresser and was now working on his bed. The creature was swollen like a tick. Booger gobbled Bobby’s bed in two quick gulps; Bobby never had to use the circular saw.

SFX: SPLUT/SPLASH

Booger could hold no more—the bed was one big bite too much. Bobby’s new friend had exploded everywhere, sending bags of garbage, kitchen appliances, and Chad Earnst flying about the bedroom. From a far corner, he heard Chad Earnst moan—he was still alive, at least, covered in goop like a newborn foal.

S/FX: BANG BANG BANG

Bobby’s mother was pounding on the bedroom door. Chad shook his head, regaining his senses.

“Bobby, you open this door right now and explain the mess in the kitchen! If you don’t have a good excuse, you may be taking a trip to Saint John’s before your father even gets home. Do you hear me, young man?!”

He had no choice. He opened the bedroom door, letting the mess that was once Booger spill out his door and into the hallway. His mother grabbed her nose. Retching sounds like the time she found spoiled milk in Justin’s room echoed from her throat. She looked at the mess in Bobby’s room; she looked at Chad Earnst covered in goo.

“What the hell is going on here?! I told you to clean this room and instead, you invite your little friend over and trash the whole damn house? He needs to leave, and you need to get cleaning, mister!”

Bobby and Chad looked at each other—the events of the last fifteen minutes leaving both of them in a daze.

“I’m going to call Sergeant Patterson and let him know another Simmons boy is coming his way!”

She slammed the bedroom door, and when it was clear she was not coming back, Chad Earnst gave Bobby Simmons the beating of his life.

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A big thank you for listening to Not About Lumberjacks. All instrumental music by Ergo Phizmiz and Yung Kartz. The rap tune was “Whip Yo Head” by Dollar Boyz. Visit nolumberjacks.com for information about the show, the voice talent, and music.

In one month, it’s the annual November anniversary show that I SWEAR is not about lumberjacks! The title? The Lumberjack of Williamsburg.

Until next time: be mighty, and keep your axes sharp!

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Alone in HQ BtC Transcript

September 9, 2019 by cpgronlund 1 Comment


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[Music fades in]

Female Narrator:

This is Behind the Cut with Christopher Gronlund. The companion show to Not About Lumberjacks.

Christopher Gronlund:

“Alone in HQ” is obviously a satire, but maybe just barely.

I once worked with somebody who put so many hours into work that it wasn’t uncommon for them to occasionally collapse from stress and exhaustion. (Once, while they were visiting family in another state and obsessing over email they couldn’t check on their phone as it came in, they stepped away to take a look and…down they went…in front of their entire family.)

I know of at least one woman who was already working on her phone from a hospital bed the day she gave birth. And along those lines, I know of someone else who had cancer and heart issues…who was told not to work at all, but they were secretly working from their hospital bed.

Sadly, that person died…and when they did, someone who didn’t know they died mentioned to others that email to the person was going unanswered. The response?

“Yeah, they died a few weeks ago. We’ll let you know when we hire their replacement.”

It was said in a tone of, “How dare they die before finishing their part of this project!”

In April of this year, I left a company where I worked for almost seven years. Aside from the Chief Financial Officer saying they planned to get rid of technical writers, the spirit of the company had changed. It went from a place where the attitude seemed to be, “We let our work speak for itself,” to one of, “We must crush all others at any cost!”

Suddenly, everyone was an enemy to destroy. In the last company town hall meeting I sat through, leaders talked about how the industry was our birthright and how we must do all we could to take back what was rightfully ours! It sounded more like a meeting of white nationalists than a state-of-the-company meeting.

Most recently, I heard they told employees layoffs are likely coming…and that if you lose your job? It’s nothing to get upset over.

“Hey, ya know, so you’ll lose your income and healthcare, unless you can afford paying for COBRA with no money coming in…and sure — it’s a big wrench in all the plans you have, but…don’t be upset about us taking from you all those memories with family you gave up for us!”

It’s sickening.

I share all this not to attack a company I once felt at least a certain pride working for, but to highlight how strange corporate life has become. Despite so many articles about the biggest life-end regret being, “I wish I hadn’t worked so much,” people now work constantly. I know people who can’t get through a lunch without checking their phone every time it lights up, vibrates, or makes noise.

I can only imagine how many times a day people look at their phones and say, “Just a minute—work.”

So, is it really beyond the realm of belief that if power and connectivity went away that some would seek out some semblance of the routine they’ve been conditioned to follow?

* * *

Steve Jobs once said that he viewed Ayn Rand’s book, ATLAS SHRUGGED, as one of his guides in life. Former ExxonMobil CEO, Rex Tillerson, said it’s a book that shows the positive effect CEOs can make on the world. Other CEOs similarly credit Rand’s THE FOUNTAINHEAD as their guide.

But before Ayn Rand wrote those beefy, rambling things, she wrote a little book called ANTHEM. (If you’re familiar with it, you probably picked up how much I framed “Alone in HQ” around the book.)

For all its faults (and believe me, there are plenty), I will always have a fondness for ANTHEM. It’s a story about a street sweeper in a dystopian future without much technology.

When the main character discovers electric light and brings it before the leaders of the society in which he lives [he’s punished]…Later, he escapes into the mountains with a woman he meets and finds a house high up above everything he knows. He vows there to start a family and show others the literal and figurative light, driven by a sacred word he will carve over the portal of his fort, that sacred word: EGO.

(Yeah, it’s a bit much, but seriously—the book does have its moments.)

Like so many others, I came to ANTHEM through the band Rush’s 2112 album…which mirrors the story in many ways. And hey, were that not enough, Rush also released a song called “Anthem,” influenced but the book as well.

However, framing parts of “Alone in HQ” around ANTHEM is one of the reasons it took so long for me to release. (Well, that…and I was wrapping up a novel.)

In ANTHEM, the protagonist (named Equality 7-2521…so how could I not name the protagonist in “Alone in HQ after an employee number?), meets a woman named Liberty 5-3000 (Yeah: Liberty 5-3000. I mean, come on…that sounds like an old-timey telephone number, doesn’t it?). Mirroring that, I eventually had a woman tending to a nearby financial company wander into Employee #312566’s headquarters.

And that led to…a very bloated story. (Okay, maybe not bloated, but I try to keep stories on Not About Lumberjacks anywhere between 20 to 30 minutes. I do all I can to not go over that 30-minute mark, and this was probably becoming a novella.)

But to introduce a new character and not give her much time in the tale seemed kind of cheap. So…when the novel I was working on was done and I returned to “Alone in HQ,” the solution was simple: keep Employee #312566 completely alone. Strip out all those scenes with Employee #817481.

(I’ll pause here for another aside: the two employee numbers are the beginnings of old phone numbers I once had. 312-566 was the start of my old number up north, and 817-481 was the beginning to the number we had when I moved to Texas from the Chicago area when I was fifteen.)

* * *

I’ve never been a writer afflicted with “This sucks!” syndrome…and by that, I mean when a story is weak, I know it’s part of the process. Your job as a writer is to work with a story until it’s smooth enough to show to others if that’s part of what you want out of writing. Obviously, I record this and release it for free to anyone in the world who wants to listen, so…that’s part of what I want out of this.)

All that said, it wasn’t until I did the first vocal read through of the story that I felt there was something there. When I read it in my head, it seemed a bit ham-fisted. But once I read the story out loud, it worked for me. And…it seems to have worked for others.

“Alone in HQ” had 20% more listens in its first week than any previous episode of Not About Lumberjacks. Now, before you say, “Wow!” know that the reality of that is…instead of 40 listens, it received 50. I’ve put more than 40 hours into some episodes of the show that saw the kinds of numbers that would make many podcasters quit and try another show, or give up podcasting for good.

And maybe that’s part of why I like this story so much.

We seem so damn fixated on measuring everything by numbers. How many retweets something promoted received; how much money people make as a measure of their worth. And, more today than any time before…equating how many hours one works in a week as a measure of how dedicated they are not just to work, but to their lives.

There’s something to be said about doing a thing simply because you love doing it. There are miserable people who can never have enough in life, while others making enough to get by with some degree of security and comfort do their things and live rich and happy lives. But there are many people who measure their worth in how much control they have over others, and those people seem unsettled by those who don’t share their philosophy.

I’m a very hard worker, but I am nothing like Employee #312566. In forty hours a week at my day job, I often do better work than those putting in 60, 80, or even 100 hours or more. Beyond that, I am definitely happier than many people I’ve worked with, choosing not to put my entire value as a person into a place that is likely to lay us all off one day.

How sick or scared must one be to somewhat regularly pass out from work-related stress or exhaustion? How sad is it to be dying, continuing to put in long hours believing it all matters somehow, only to have team meambers see your death as an inconvenience, rather than a thing to mourn?

The way we approach work seems to become more twisted each year. I know somebody who actually had a manager tell him and his group, “If you guys don’t hit your numbers, I’ll put you through a fucking wall!” I once watched one of the good CEOs of a company I worked for step down in front of us all in tears, talking about realizing how off-track his life had become when his family begged him to stop answering text messages from others at work during Thanksgiving dinner with them. He told us all that he missed seeing his children grow up; and they were all about to head off to college, and he barely knew them because he put work before family. It wrecked the guy.

Let’s get back to Ayn Rand…

She glorified the characters in her novels, even the terrible ones. Perhaps the reason I like ANTHEM’S Equality 7-2521 is he’s at least redeemable. The characters in THE FOUNTAINHEAD and ATLAS SHRUGGED, however, are shitty human beings skipping anniversaries, having affairs with others who “understand them and their work” more than their families, and were often handed down the successes they claim to have made completely on their own.

No wonder her work is loved by so many CEOs.

I suppose when all you do is run from life and do nothing but work, you’ll do anything to convince yourself you’re living the best life there is to be lived.

The sad thing is when they expect us to do it, too…

Sadder still: when we actually do…

[Outro music fades in…]

Christopher Gronlund:

Thank you for listening to Not About Lumberjacks and Behind the Cut. Theme music for Behind the Cut is a tune called Reaper by Razen. Visit nolumberjacks.com for information about the music, episodes, and voice talent.

In a month, it’s the strangest father and son story I’ll probably ever write…

Until next time: be mighty, and keep your axes sharp!

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Behind the Cut – Alone in HQ

August 26, 2019 by cpgronlund 1 Comment

“Alone in HQ” is a satire, but maybe just barely.

Some thoughts about the illness permeating many corporations and those working for them…and the effect that had on this story. (Also, a bit about Ayn Rand and the framing device of Anthem as it pertains to “Alone in HQ.”)

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Alone in HQ Transcript

August 11, 2019 by cpgronlund 1 Comment

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[An ax chopping wood; THEME MUSIC plays…]

[Host: Christopher Gronlund]

I want to make one thing perfectly clear: this show is not about lumberjacks…

My name is Christopher Gronlund, and every month I share a story. Sometimes the stories contain truths, but most of the time they’re made up. Sometimes the stories are funny — other times they’re serious. But you have my word about one thing: I will never — EVER — share a story about lumberjacks.

This time, I’m recording on the anniversary date of the day I came up with the show. In honor of that, for real, it’s the post-apocalyptic office story.

All right–let’s get to work…

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[Narrator: Christopher Gronlund]

ALONE IN HQ

Employee #312566 walks through the wild buffalograss covering the Globotek lobby. High above him, dusty banners a full story tall hang from the ceiling:

GLOBOTEK: SHIFTING YOUR PARADIGM

GLOBOTEK: TOMORROW…TODAY!

GLOBOTEK: GLOBAL TECHNOLOGY

And his favorite of all:

GLOBOTEK: ONE IN ALL, INDIVISIBLE FOREVER

On the walls, oversized monitors that once welcomed visiting clients and informed employees of upcoming company town hall meetings have long gone dark. An array of clocks showing times in Globotek offices around the world stopped working a dozen years ago. The Zen waterfall fountain near the wall of windows is so dry that it no longer supports the algae once growing on it. Were it not for Employee #312566 filling the fountain’s basin with water from a nearby creek, the frogs and turtles calling it home would be dried up as well, or at least left to fend for themselves outside in the elements. A deer near the security desk raises its head at #312566’s approach and runs down the hall toward the cafeteria. As it passes, birds scatter from exposed ductwork in the ceiling and fly outside through broken windows.

It used to not be like this…

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To know Employee #312566, one only needed to look at his annual performance reviews. Every year, he was the one his manager deemed as exceeding expectations. He was the one who could be counted on to work during weekends and holidays, while others slacked off and dared have lives outside of work. Working overtime was a fair tradeoff for health care and other benefits that seemed to dwindle a bit more each year. But that didn’t matter when Employee #312566’s 401K grew, and the value of his small house increased over time. He’d seen the United States and some other parts of the world on the company’s dime, even though it was mostly airport to job site to hotel to restaurant and back to hotel—that routine, repeated all week, until flying home on Friday with a bit of time to rest before getting back to work on Saturday.

It never bothered Employee #312566 that management told their subordinates to tighten the purse strings, while they took meetings in other countries, just to keep platinum travel statuses. When meets- and fails-to-meet-expectations coworkers said it was crooked, he argued their leaders worked hard and deserved it. Give to the corporation, and it would provide in turn. If they needed him to sweep streets around headquarters, he would have gladly done so.

And then one day, everything changed…

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It took nineteen years for the technological collapse promised by many at the stroke of midnight in the year 2000 to become real. With the push of a big button, two childish world leaders started a war, which led to other countries jumping in so they wouldn’t feel left out. New weapons were revealed—power grids went down and never came back. Doomsday preppers finally had the “I told you so!” moment they’d built lives around. Everything crashed. Finally, all those people who swore they’d get off Facebook in the new year actually did…just not by choice.

And through it all, out of some sick habit, many returned to work, like zombies returning to the places they once knew when they were alive. Only now, instead of zombies, it was middle managers who had no idea what to do with themselves once connectivity and work went away. The old ones were long terminated in a bid to save on salaries and not fulfill pension payments. No one was left who remembered the times before email, when things were managed on paper. So they returned to their desks and clicked and clacked on keyboards, hoping dark screens would light up bright again and return to them a reason to exist.

When the world stayed dark, tempers flared, and many went mad. Employee #312566 heard the CEO of Globotek used a cow femur to smash the head of the CTO he blamed for all the company’s stumblings at the close of Q4, shortly before the power grid went out. Gone were the days of quick hallway meetings with promises to catch up over drinks when projects were done; gone was the social hierarchy based upon which floor one worked on. Gone was email—sweet email—answered from bed on smart phones late into the night.

The last thing Employee #312566 did with his smart phone was throwing it at a rabbit he ate for dinner one night. It was the first thing he ever killed, and he cried as he cooked it whole, the smell of burning fur filling the grill top where he piled sticks to build a fire in the cafeteria. The stench permeated the entire first floor, so he spent the night up top, in the CEO’s office, looking out over the dark town. The only lights in the distance came from dim campfires in custom fire pits that let him know people were still out there, small bands of people that had taken up residency in easier-to-defend McMansions rising above the trees. Employee #312566 initially wondered if taking up residency in Globotek headquarters was wise. It stood to reason, he thought, that others would come back, or worse—attack—but the building was haunted by something far worse than ghosts: the memories of what used to be.

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In the beginning, the solitude was overwhelming. Employee #312566 considered joining others on the outskirts, if only to hear cherished words uttered by collective voices: synergistic, bandwidth, and his tingle-inducing favorite: impactfulness. But there’s a certain sadness in people left unmoored without a greater sense of purpose. Would seeing the influencers and thought leaders he once respected tending to their own waste and other lowly tasks steal from his mind the golden image of them that he’d built up inside? Would seeing them out of their element, lost like children unable to survive on their own, make him wonder if they were ever great leaders at all? It was better to go on alone, he thought, honoring those he once revered by keeping their tenuous authority alive in fabricated memories.

To be in such a large, empty space, though, left him feeling panicked at the start. Hearing eight floors of office space settle in the quiet of night stirred Employee #3126566’s imagination. Was that the sound of footsteps coming from the main stairwell by the security desk, or simply the knocking of a pipe no longer in use? A face looking in through the window in the dark, or his own visage reflected back against the glass?

Fear could not be allowed to prevail—Employee #312566 was determined to be the building’s keeper. Remembering a passage from a book he liked when he was younger, he wrote it down and carried it in his pocket, a tactile reminder to “Fear nothing of the forest. There is no danger in solitude.” That thought eventually came with a sense of peace and purpose. Soon he established a new routine based on days long gone.

Besides, he was never truly alone—there were others out there, some maybe even working to bring back all that was lost. He’d do his thing while they did theirs. In a strange way, it was why he liked working in HQ: it was possible to feel completely alone among eight-thousand people lost in their own tiny orbits.

As long as there are campfires on the horizon at night, there is hope.

#

Employee #312566 pauses at the security desk and says “Good morning, Steve!” even though he’s alone in HQ. It’s important to him to keep up the old routine: coming in just a bit before seven in the morning, saying hello to Steve at the security desk, and then getting to work. When Globotek was a thriving, humming thing, most employees passing the front desk were already too busy answering email on their phones, or thought they were better than Steve and his lowly job that they never acknowledged his existence. But Employee #312566 always said “Good morning, Steve,” at the beginning of his workday (and, “Have a good evening, Sharon,” at its end). He was a people person, after all.

Today he walks down the main hallway from the lobby—paved with cobblestones that once echoed the sounds of catering carts servicing lunchtime meetings—and eventually stops at the old Starbucks counter near the cafeteria. He drags a chair over to the chalkboard menu above the counter and erases the previous day’s inspirational quote:

“Don’t count the days. Make the days count.”
– Muhammed Ali

With a piece of blue chalk, he writes a new message in one of the many stylish scripts he’s practiced since things went dark:

“The secret of your success is determined by your daily agenda.”
– John C. Maxwell

Employee #312566’s workday begins on another chalkboard next to Starbucks that he pulled out of a conference room. A white board would be preferable, but most of the dry-erase markers in the building were already drying out when the lights were on and the building was full—now, their color is gone and their tips are like stone. On the chalkboard is a painstaking recreation of an Excel spreadsheet drawn by Employee #312566 to remind himself of better times.

He misses the sanctuary of Microsoft Excel. Life should be like that, he thinks: plug a part of it into a cell and let a formula make everything secure. Be the person who creates the formula that makes everything work, and achieve demigod status among your peers in a manner not even reserved for the person who can make Microsoft Word stop auto-formatting text.

In Employee #312566’s chalkboard spreadsheet, nothing entered in cells populates to other places, but there’s always that millisecond when he writes something down and expects  magic to occur before his eyes. He craves the days of mapped processes and tools that [mostly] worked. Today, the chalkboard is little more than a way to present a to-do list in a comfortable format: perfect rows and columns waiting for information to give them meaning in much the same way they once gave meaning to so many lives.

#

A Typical Day in The Life of Employee #312566:

At 5:30 a.m., he is awakened by an internal clock that’s yet to fail him in his forty-three years. Rising from several stacked yoga mats serving as his bed in the corporate gym, he heads to the locker room to relieve himself in one of the few gravity-fed toilets in the building. A water collection system pulling from a spring-fed creek keeps him not only alive, but affords him several creature comforts. When his morning workout is complete and logged, a make-shift shower bag washes away sweat and any remnants of the day before.

Breakfast is usually the Prairie Salad from the cafeteria, a mixture of nearby edible plants and pecans Employee #312566 mixes up in the evenings. When the Great Outage occurred and most people raided grocery stores for a temporary sustenance fix, Employee #312566 raided the library near GloboTek headquarters for a crash course in bushcraft and urban survival tactics. He will never run out of the fresh greens, nuts, mushrooms, and small animals that keep him alive. He tells himself that one day soon, he’ll begin making artisanal sourdough bread instead of basic hardtack, but even during the apocalypse there are well-intended tasks left undone in the rush of daily demands. Or maybe it’s just the way most human beings are wired, giving up bigger dreams for smaller tasks and the quick dopamine hit that comes with them.

After breakfast, Employee #312566 packs his computer bag and heads to work. He picks up trash on his commute from the back of HQ to the front. Over a full decade after the Great Disconnect, and plastic bags and the lids of fast food drinks are still deposited against the side of the building by the wind. He misses his old commute, with time to think about the work waiting for him each day, or queuing up podcasts when he knew traffic would be particularly heavy. What happens to a podcaster during the apocalypse, he wonders, when there are no more get-rich schemes to be shared, movies or television shows to review, or true crime to talk about; no more self-important hot takes on popular culture, long-winded interviews to schedule, or dude-bros who think they’re actually funny? Employee #312566 likes to think the guy with that lumberjack show found a solar charger and still writes and records his stories. Maybe with twelve years and little else to do, if the power ever comes back, he’ll have enough of a backlog to finally release his show again on a regular schedule.

Entering the lobby, Employee #312566 looks up at the banners hanging from the ceiling. He whispers, “One in all. Indivisible forever,” with a sense of pride and then checks on the frogs and turtles in the old fountain. While it’s dawned on him that in the fountain, he has a replenishing food source without the danger of forays into the woods, there’s something comforting about keeping other creatures alive in HQ. Besides, the croaking of the fountain frogs has become its own kind of white noise at night, something dependable to drown out the echoing creaks of such a large building.

Old habits mustn’t fade—Employee #312566 says, “Good morning, Steve,” as he passes the empty security desk on his way to the Starbucks counter to change the inspirational quote of the day on his chalkboard. Never one to establish a coffee habit of his own (after all, the excitement of work should be all one needs to fuel their morning), he misses the smell of the drink—to the point that early on, Employee #312566 brewed a pot each day for effect. Even now, long after running through the coffee stocks on all floors, he is still surprised headquarters wasn’t raided for coffee over other supplies. How many people died in the months and years after the Great Disconnect fighting over the cherished bean, he’s wondered? Somewhere, someone must have been bludgeoned to death by a stout coffee mug reading, “I AM NOT A MORNING PERSON.”

The rest of the morning is spent of the third floor, in his cubicle, where he types away on a long-dead laptop. The sound of typing is soothing. The memory of hot-key commands in proprietary software must never be forgotten. There are reports to read and papers to organize. (When they are all in order, it is not uncommon for Employee #312566 to throw an entire filing box worth of papers from the atrium to the lobby floor, only to retrieve them and sort them all over again.)

In empty conference rooms, there are imaginary meetings in which he plays all the roles. Even though the phones haven’t worked for twelve years, before meetings start, he repeatedly says, “Can everybody mute their lines, please? I’m getting a lot of noise on the call.” It always bothered him to hear typing during meetings—people clearly not one hundred percent devoted to listening to what leaders better than them had to say. He remembers when it wasn’t uncommon to hear someone’s dog barking in the background, another reason he believed everyone should be in headquarters and not allowed to work from home. Once, an at-home employee didn’t know her phone wasn’t muted, and the entire business unit heard her child approach and say, “Mommy, I make poopie…”

At lunch, he eats a handful of squirrel pemmican and hardtack at his desk, a reminder of busier days when there was no time to disconnect for even thirty minutes, let alone an hour. Coworkers taking hour-long lunch breaks clearly weren’t serious about their work, laughing and carrying on with others in the cafeteria—or worse, leaving headquarter grounds for nearby restaurants to “get away for a bit.” Nothing said, “I’m dedicated to my work!” like eating microwaved tuna at one’s desk, a malodorous message that you, unlike all those slackers rushing off to restaurants, believe in the work you do enough to do it even through your lunch hour. At least now, the sound of those never taught to chew with their mouths closed, smacking like feral animals at a carcass on a nature show, is a distant memory.

The rest of Employee #312566’s afternoon is spent in heads-down mode at his desk, clacking away at his keyboard, organizing papers, and writing reports no one will ever read. It’s as if he downloaded the contents of his laptop into his mind, and these daily exercises are a way to be prepared better than anyone else should things ever come back. He can see his computer desktop and the way his personal drives and network drives were all laid out. With a thought, he can track any file he ever worked on, watching folders cascade as memories he refuses to let go. So, when he pretends the director of his business unit stops by his desk and says, “I need the monthly TSR report as soon as you can generate it,” he grabs piles of paper and recreates them by hand, from memory. At the end of his workday, he heads downstairs, being sure to say, “Have a good evening, Sharon,” as he passes the security desk on his way out. But his daily work is not done; in fact, now the work of survival begins.

On his way to the back doors of HQ, Employee #312566 checks his snare traps for squirrels, rabbits, and anything else unfortunate enough to have taken the bait. He’ll never get completely used to dispatching and preparing food, but it no longer bothers him like it once did. Most evenings, he prepares dinner in a makeshift grill beneath an overhang out back. After that, it’s tending to food stores, collecting water, and cleaning waste. Never a complete germaphobe, he was still a big fan of hand sanitizer and doing all he could to never get sick. Today, cleanliness is his god.

Nights are still the hardest. Before the Great Disconnect, the urge to fill time alone with deeper thoughts or regrets could always be drowned out by booting up a laptop and working some more, or answering email on his phone while paying half-attention to a Netflix binge going on in the background. Now, he turns to books, like the times before work became an around-the-clock thing and people read more. To keep his mind busy, he’s trying to remember the smallest book in his collection, so he can recite its entirety verbatim all the way through. It’s a story about a street sweeper who brings light to the masses and ends up chastised for thinking outside the box. He sees himself in the character, a curious individual with good ideas that were often shoved down by authority. He can recite the book up to the last chapter. Tonight, he has a simple goal: remember to opening lines of Part Twelve.

He mutters: “It was when I read the first of the books I found in my house that I saw the word “I.” And when I understood this word, the book fell from my hands, and I wept, I who had never known tears. I wept in deliverance and in pity for all mankind.” Over and over he repeats the lines like a mantra, until falling into the darkness of sleep to the sound of frogs and crickets.

And so it goes, until one day…

#

Employee #312566 is startled awake when the building creaks like a waking god. Lights flicker and printers groan. Air rushes through the building as the old god takes its first breath in more than a decade. The smell of the HVAC system is atrocious: stagnant mildew and the scent of animals in various states of decay in the ducts. The long hallway leading to the lobby looks like the set of an old horror movie, with dark sections of dead light illuminated by flickering fluorescents and the red glow of EXIT signs.

Employee #312566 rummages through his gear on the far side of the gym. His eyes widen as old habits never fully gone return. He plugs his laptop into the outlet; lifting the screen and pressing the ON button brings his system to life. It’s like a vital organ returning to his body, making everything right once more.

His heart races as the sound of Windows 7 booting up fills the gym. The reflex is still there: before Employee #312566 can think, he’s types his password and presses ENTER. His breathing becomes audible as he clicks the Outlook icon in his system tray. The program comes to life. He begins the Reawakening at Inbox Zero.

#

Two days later, Employee #312566 hears it in the distance—once, such a common thing now just a memory. He cannot tell how close it is as he charges through the buffalograss on his way out of the Globotek lobby. He fears he’s too late as he rushes up a nearby hill for a better look, but the old sounds always did have a way of silencing the natural world, burying the beauty beneath its din. He waits for several minutes, the distant hum growing louder, until its source finally comes into view. A glint of sunlight on the windshield, and then the Doppler effect of the first car to pass by on the highway in twelve years. He waits for others, but no more pass by. Still, if there is one, more are out there. It’s now just a matter of time.

When Employee #312566 returns to HQ, he’s overcome with shame. Soon, others will arrive…only to see the lobby overrun by grass and frogs. Carpets near broken windows reek of mildew…a cafeteria sure to fail a health department inspection.

That night, he climbs the stairs to the eighth floor and sits at the CEO’s desk. Campfires in the distance have given way to a smattering of electric lights as McMansions glow once again. He catches movement on the highway: headlights! Even eight stories up and ensconced in the CEO’s glass lookout, it is the loudest sound in his world.

What will it be like when they all return?

Employee #312566 leans back in the big, leather office chair and closes his eyes, imagining being the one in charge. His heart races when the building shifts and is sounds like somebody entered the office. He opens his eyes, almost expecting to see the CEO standing in the dark, wielding a cow femur, ready to commit his last barbaric act before The Great Reconnect.

“We mustn’t think like that,” he mutters.

He makes his way downstairs in the dark. No need to light up HQ until it’s in proper shape. So much work ahead of him, but not much time. Anxiety settles in and…it feels good. Something needs to be done in a hurry, just like the days used to be when managers commanded the lives of thousands of underlings, giving their lives a sense of meaning and purpose, measured in stress.

Employee #312566 looks down the long hallway toward the gym. He decides he will not sleep there tonight. He considers working through ‘til morning, but the day’s excitement has given him much to think about. Soon, there will be no time to think; soon the race of days will return, and everything will somehow get done in the chaos of it all. Maybe not done well, but that’s what the marketing department is for.

He climbs the winding lobby stairs against three stories of windows. It’s like climbing into the sky. At the top, on the landing overlooking the lobby, he’s face-to-face with the GLOBOTEK: ONE IN ALL, INDIVISIBLE FOREVER banner. It shines so brightly in the moonlight, he would not be surprised if it gave off heat.

He sits down above it all, and recites the final chapter to the book he’s worked so hard to recite from memory:

It was when I read the first of the books I found in my house that I saw the word “I.” …

Now I look ahead. My future is clear before me. The Saint of the pyre had seen the future when he chose me as his heir, as the heir of all the saints and all the martyrs who came before him and who died for the same cause, for the same word, no matter what name they gave to their cause and their truth…

These are the last things before me. And as I stand here at the door of glory, I look behind me for the last time…

When men accepted that worship, the structure of centuries collapsed about them, the structure whose every beam had come from the thought of some one man, each in his day down the ages…

Theirs is the banner in my hand. And I wish I had the power to tell them that the despair of their hearts was not to be final, and their night was not without hope…

As Employee #312566 nears the end of the final chapter, he looks at the banner glowing before him, burning like a messenger. He knows what he must do.

He stands tall and proud and recites his own ending:

“And here, over the entry to our lobby, I will carve in the wall the word that is to be our pulse and breath. A word that will not die, even if the last vestiges of the system crash and we are no more. The word that cannot die in this building, for it is the heart of it and the meaning and the glory.

The Sacred word:

OVERTIME.”

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A big thank you for listening to Not About Lumberjacks. All music by Ergo Phizmiz and Kai Engel. Visit nolumberjacks.com for information about the show, the voice talent, and music.

In a month, I’m bringing you the weirdest father and son story I may ever write.

Until next time: be mighty, and keep your axes sharp!

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Alone in HQ

August 9, 2019 by cpgronlund 3 Comments

Femurs were wielded, and CEOs fell…

After the apocalypse, a lowly office worker is alive and alone in headquarters…keeping an old way of life going in the hope that things will one day return to normal…

Content Advisory: Death of a rabbit from blunt-force trauma. Violence (mention of a CEO bludgeoning someone with a cow femur). Suspense (the general creepiness of living in an empty corporate headquarters). Overtime and the stresses of work coming before life. Loneliness.

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Credits:

Music: Ergo Phizmiz and Kai Engel.

Story: Christopher Gronlund.

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Taller than the Moon BtC Transcript

July 13, 2019 by cpgronlund Leave a Comment

[Listen Here]

[Music fades in]

Female Narrator:

This is Behind the Cut with Christopher Gronlund. The companion show to Not About Lumberjacks.

Christopher Gronlund:

Taller than the Moon is the first real short story I ever wrote. I started taking writing seriously when I was 19 or 20. Most of what I wrote at the time were odd little slice-of-life vignettes—and then there was a rivalry story about people eating bugs that swelled to 25 pages like that and became even too ridiculous for me.

Then came Taller than the Moon…

Taller than the Moon is one of the only stories that came to me in a dream. Thinking about it, it might be the only one. All I remember from that dream is that I won some award for writing a story called Taller than the Moon. It was about a small-town hero whose life took a rough turn after a couple tours in Vietnam.

I woke up, turned on my old IBM Selectric II typewriter, and wrote the story pretty much as recorded for the episode. (Thinking back, that means the story is 30 years old.)

Taller than the Moon is an important story to me because, at the time I wrote it, I was a bit of a conflicted writer. I wanted to write the kind of serious fiction I grew up reading, but I didn’t think I’d ever be a good enough writer to pull it off. That explains the weird slice-of-life vignettes and horror stories I was writing at the time. That’s not to say what I was writing was somehow sub-par, because there are some Clive Barker and Richard Christian Matheson stories that hit me as much as any literary fiction ever did. But I generally avoided writing serious fiction out of respect and fear.

Let me be clear: I think any writing can be serious…elevated…whatever we want to call it. I don’t believe literary fiction holds the title as the only serious writing out there. The opening of Ursula K. Le Guin’s The Lathe of Heaven is as beautiful as anything ever written. When Stephen King flexes his literary muscles, we’re reminded why he’s buddies with writers like John Irving and Amy Tan. And there are comic books out there I’ll put up against the deemed-best fiction ever written.

But there was always something about the kinds of books I saw on the shelves in the houses I grew up in. I’ll never say a great work of literary fiction inherently means more than a fast-paced thing written to entertain people, but I do think one can argue that the craft Alice Munro puts into a short story is greater than something written to a formula, mired in clichés, and lacking any attention to prose or emotion.

Still, if you listen to enough episodes of Not About Lumberjacks, it should be clear I don’t believe all stories must be serious things. I mean, hell…I wrote a Christmas story that made several people feel guilty for laughing at child torture! And next month I’m finally releasing the post-apocalyptic office story I’ve talked about for over a year!

The stories I just mentioned are fun, and they might even mean something to readers or listeners. But the stories I’m most proud of that I’ve written for the show are those leaning a bit more literary: “Purvis,” “The Art of the Lumberjack,” “Standstill,” “The Other Side,” and “Horus.”

Some of those stories contain fantastic elements, but I never believed literary fiction inherently equaled stale stories about pathetic middle-aged white men and their messed up sexual habits. (In fact, I’d rather read some escapist work than be subjected to more of that kind of thing!)

To me at least, literary fiction is simply something written for more than just entertainment, with a certain attention to craft. In the end, those are the kinds of stories we carry with us (sometimes for years) rather than those we finish and say, “Next!” – as though books were potato chips meant to be consumed rather than savored.

And so, Taller than the Moon will always mean something to me because it was my first attempt at a literary story, written during a time I was all about humor and horror. I like writing literary fiction because I’m no longer afraid of it. I enjoy the challenge and the time it takes to finish them. Some of the funnier stories here are things I knocked out in an hour or two. And while they’re fun, I wouldn’t include them among the best things I’ve ever written. Some of those stories might even be like a well-timed fart, meant to make only the most baseless among us laugh. And I include myself in that list, just to be clear. I wrote the stories, after all.

But it’s the stories that took a greater effort…those I had to find my way through over days or months—even years—that I’m most proud of.
It’s not lost on me that all those stories can be traced back to a morning I woke up in Grapevine, Texas and wrote Taller than the Moon before I did anything else that day…

[Outro music fades in…]

Christopher Gronlund:

Thank you for listening to Not About Lumberjacks and Behind the Cut. Theme music for Behind the Cut is a tune called Reaper by Razen. Visit nolumberjacks.com for information about the music, episodes, and voice talent.

Next time—and I’m totally serious–it’s finally the post-apocalyptic corporate office story I’ve talked about for over a year…

Probably…

Okay, okay…I’m just kidding! It’s written and it’s ready to record, so it’s really happening.

Maybe…

Until next time: be mighty, and keep your axes sharp!

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Behind the Cut – Taller than the Moon

July 13, 2019 by cpgronlund 2 Comments

“Taller than the Moon” is the first serious short story I ever wrote. It is roughly thirty years old.

Some thoughts about those early writing days — and literary fiction in general.

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Taller Than The Moon Trascript

June 23, 2019 by cpgronlund 1 Comment

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[An ax chopping wood; THEME MUSIC plays…]

Host: Christopher Gronlund:

“I want to make one thing perfectly clear: this show is not about lumberjacks…

My name is Christopher Gronlund, and most months I try to share a story. Sometimes the stories contain truths, but most of the time, they’re made up. Sometimes the stories are funny — other times they’re serious. But you have my word about one thing: I will never — EVER — share a story about lumberjacks.

This time, I dig back to what might be the first real short story I ever wrote…and the only story that came to me in a dream.

All right–let’s get to work…

Narrator:

Taller Than The Moon

[Somber music plays…]

I always wanted to be taller than The Moon. “The Moon” was my brother’s nickname, he got it when he was very young, before I was born. My parents were toilet training him and—never one to sit still for any length of time—he ran from the toilet with his diapers down around his ankles, exposing himself to all in the vicinity. My folks had a slew of nicknames for him: “Moonie,” “The Great White Crack,” and “The Moon.” The latter stuck with him and was a nickname he carried all his life. Nobody, not even my parents, called him Adam Stokowski.

I grew up on a flat stretch of hard farmland in Texas. We had a couple two story buildings in town—the bank and the church—but the only truly tall things in town were the clouds of dust rising up from the infertile soil, and my big brother, The Moon.

The Moon was two years my elder and everything I could only hope to one day become. He was as fast as a gazelle, while I did my best to keep a snail’s pace, until finally being confined to a wheelchair. Every girl in town wanted to date my brother, but when I was around, they walked away. It wasn’t my fault that my spine twisted and that I spoke softly. People talked about The Moon long after he left a room; when I left a room, people only laughed. (My hearing wasn’t that bad.)

The Moon was perfect—at least in the eyes of everyone in town. He shined hope on the 251 residents of our hometown. He was my ray of light, someone who always made me feel bigger than I actually was. Maybe that’s why the town looked up to him: he had a knack for making everyone in his presence feel big.

The Moon carried our town to back-to-back state high school football championships—a big thing in Texas, regardless of the size of the school. I never understood the game’s appeal; perhaps if I did, I’d also understand why grown men and women would pile their burdens on a teenager with a football and force him to carry their hopes and dreams on his shoulders, like Atlas. The way we all looked up to him, you’d think—just like the real moon—that he controlled the tides.

The Moon became even more legendary when he landed a football scholarship at Texas A&M University, but things changed when he gave up the chance to play ball to serve in Vietnam. On his first tour, he came back with the Medal of Honor.

The town held a loud parade for him, consisting of the high school band, some Cub Scouts, and the mayor driving around in a convertible. His second tour, he came back with a Purple Heart and an addiction to morphine, which turned to heroin.

Our town fell silent.

Gone was that Prometheus smile, bringing light to all it shined upon. No longer did The Moon make everybody feel big. His depression and addiction put him under a microscope; people spoke of him only in whispers—some said he betrayed them. I wanted to step up and defend him like he did so many times for me, but all I could do was sit back, like everyone else, and watch my brother slide deeper toward an inevitable end.

I’ve read his obituary so many times that I can still recite the damn thing from memory.

November 11, 1970
Services for Adam Stokowski are
scheduled for 10 a.m. Friday at
the First United Methodist Church
on Sycamore St. Adam died
Sunday in his family’s home. He
was 25.

Survivors include Mr. Stokowski’s
father, Benjamin; mother, Carol;
and younger brother, Michael—a law
student at the University of Texas,
in Austin.

I’ve only returned home a few times since finishing college, always for Christmas. I still expect to see my brother when I visit. I expect to hear the backdoor crash open and slam shut, followed by him charging through the kitchen, but this old house died with him. Seven years later, my parents aren’t the same; seven years later, I’m not the same. Perhaps everybody in town was right: maybe in some sick way, The Moon was our only hope.

I wake up on Christmas morning. For a moment, I feel like a kid again. I crawl to The Moon’s bedroom to wake him up so he can help me down the stairs and shake the gifts Santa Claus brought the night before, but his room is silent—it’s been that way since he died, a sick museum for my parents to visit and feel sorry for themselves.

I make my way down the steps, sliding down one at a time on my rear, and I get into my wheelchair at the bottom of the stairs. I don’t go to the living room to check presents, though—Christmas has lost its magic, and my parents will sleep late this morning. I go to the kitchen to get breakfast, instead.

I open the pantry to get some cereal and I see the crude growth chart my parents made to chronicle the growth of my brother and me when we were younger. Our early years are marked off in three month increments on the back of the pantry door. Around our teens, they;re marked off annually. I see The Moon’s markers and compare them to mine. Early on, we grew about the same rate, but when I read: “The Moon – 10 years old – 1955” and I see the corresponding pencil mark, I realize that’s about the time my growth slowed, when I was eight. From age ten, he just grew and grew, while my spine twisted more and more. I was jealous of my brother then, and he must have known because he did everything he could to make me feel special. I remember how he’d pick me up so I could see things on the top shelf. I remember how I told him I’d be taller than him, someday, and how he’d hold me high above his head and say I already was. I can still hear him shouting, “You’re a giant, Mikey—you’re a giant!” as he carried me around the house on his shoulders.

I look at the growth marks on the pantry door and wish I had made eggs, instead. I think about all those years I wanted to be the one everyone looked up to. My little town now sees me as the big-city lawyer who made good, despite all my struggles. In a strange way, I suppose I got my wish: I’m finally taller than The Moon.

What I wouldn’t give to feel small once again…

[Outro Music plays…]

Host: Christopher Gronlund:

A big thank you for listening to Not About Lumberjacks. All music by Ergo Phizmiz and Kai Engel. Visit nolumberjacks.com for information about the show, the voice talent, and the music.

Okay, I know I’ve talked about the post-apocalyptic office story forever. It’s written, but…it got out of hand? I introduced a character along the way and now I feel like I need to add more, but…anyway, I don’t know if I’ll have that ready for next month, so…with all that editing to be done, and with novel stuff taking priority over short fiction, you might get that story about the kid who makes a monster in his bathtub next time. And if that’s the case, it means that I have exhausted all short fiction that I’ve previously written. But then…maybe I might actually edit and put the post-apocalyptic office story together by then. We’ll see…

And really, at this point—as much as I’ve hyped that story—it really needs to live up to at least a couple people’s expectations. So there’s that side of me that’s like, “Eh…I should just keep coming up with excuses like, ‘Oh, it was a beautiful day, so we opened a window and I had the manuscript sitting there and suddenly a turkey vulture came in and flew off with it. Or…’Hey, I finally recorded that story, but uh…I forget to press record, so…I don’t really have time to rerecord it, so here’s this other story.’ Or even just going all out there and being kinda like, ‘Hey, a company I used to work for uh…got a leaked copy of the story somehow and…they think it’s about them, so…this could be a court case that drags out for years.'”

But while chatting with my wife earlier today, I think I did figure the way out of this, so…I do think that maybe next month you’ll hear it. If not, you’ll hear a story called “Booger.” One of those two.

Anyway…Until next time: be mighty, and keep your axes sharp!

[Outro music fades; an ax chopping wood…]

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Taller Than The Moon

June 15, 2019 by cpgronlund 3 Comments

A trip home to visit his parents brings with it a flood of memories for Michael Stokowski.

[Random side notes: I believe this is the first true short story I ever wrote. Also, it is the only story I can think of inspired by one of my dreams…]

Content Advisory: A family deals with the fallout of a suicide. Mention of drug addiction following serving in the Vietnam War.

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Waking the Lumberjack BtC Transcript

April 13, 2019 by cpgronlund Leave a Comment

[Listen]

Intro Theme Music plays…

Female Announcer (Cynthia Griffith)
This is behind the cut with Christopher Gronlund. The companion show to Not About Lumberjacks.

Christopher Gronlund
While I write everything for Not About Lumberjacks, and narrate most of it myself, regular listeners know I sometimes rely on help from others. With the latest story, “Waking the Lumberjack” being a one-shot audiodrama, I brought in a handful of people. Tim Czarnecki, whom I’ve known for over 30 years, plays the narrator in the episode.

Much like the Behind the Cut interview I did with the narrator of the previous November anniversary episode, when I spoke with Michael Howie about narrating “The Hidebehind,” I thought it would be fun to sit down and chat with Tim.

INTERVIEW BEGINS

Christopher Gronlund
All right, let’s get the question that gets to most people out of the way. Tell us who you are, Tim.

Tim Czarnecki
Okay, uh…that’s a big question. I don’t have a very interesting answer, I’m afraid. I am a 50-something [year old] graphic artist and collector of role playing game books, who most of the time would rather be playing D&D.

Christopher Gronlund
I’m with you on that. I mean, we played Dungeons and Dragons every other week, at least–

Tim Czarnecki
At least.

Christopher Gronlund
Except for last month because we had some things come up. And it was like…

Tim Czarnecki
Yeah…

Christopher Gronlund
A whole month without D&D!

Tim Czarnecki
It was…it was very strange. But, like, when you go a long time without eating sweets or having a drink, for instance, when you finally do — when you finally get there, and you finally get to play again, it’s a blast. We had a great game last weekend.

Christopher Gronlund
One of the best games I…one of the best games of D&D I think I’ve ever played.

Tim Czarnecki
Yeah, it was a really good one.

Christopher Gronlund
I really had a great, great time. But we’re not talking about [D&D]…we should just do a D&D podcast someday… But…so how do we meet?

Tim Czarnecki
How did we meet? Uh, we both told the story many times.

Christopher Gronlund
[Laughter]

Tim Czarnecki
We met at a place called Teach House USA in Denton, Texas. And basically we were glorified door to door encyclopedia salesmen targeting especially vulnerable military families near the bases around North Texas, Southern Oklahoma…that kind of area.

Christopher Gronlund
Yeah, there was that one weekend they put me on a reservation, and the first house I went up to seriously had a plywood door with, like, two things where you could just see somebody twisted a knife to make holes and tied it to a structure with twine.

Tim Czarnecki
[Chuckling]

Christopher Gronlund
So I knew…that was the weekend I was just like, I went to the park and I don’t know what tribe they were with, but there were just some guys hanging out at picnic bench. They had a big cooler, they were cooking, they had beer, and I just hung out with them all day because I…I knew I wasn’t gonna sell encyclopedias.

Tim Czarnecki
Well, you–you had it a lot better than I did. I, as you know, from the years and years we’ve known each other, know that I’m a more…probably a more earnest person, and not in a good way. I mean earnest in a doofy way. So I really, really tried at this job and I still did not do very well.

And my main incident…the incident I will remember the most, is the time I got threatened by magazine salesman — one of them carrying a tire iron as they told me to get out of the area they were selling stuff in because I was on their turf.

Christopher Gronlund
It was…it was like something out of a movie. People only chased me out in neighborhoods thinking I was a child molester.

Tim Czarnecki
That…that’s probably just about as bad. I mean, with me it was like shitty Glengarry Glen Ross. You know, it’s like–

Christopher Gronlund
Yeah, like something out of, you know, an 80s John Cusak [movie]. You know, with the, “two dollars…” These guys are coming at you with, you know, tire irons and stuff. It’s like–and that, yeah, just that they were magazine salesmen chasing out encyclo–

Tim Czarnecki
Yeah.

Christopher Gronlund
I mean, that’s like the stuff of parody.

Tim Czarnecki
Uh, it is. And I think it would make a very interesting story. Maybe another Not About Lumberjacks story, who knows?

Christopher Gronlund
Hey, that’s actually a good idea…

Tim Czarnecki
[Laughing] Well, it was certainly interesting. But I will say that the best thing that happened was that I met Chris working at this place. And I think one of the things that we…we don’t — we talk about meeting there, but what really catalyzed our friendship, I would say, is I had been living in Denton and you know, whenever…when everything went belly up at Teach House for all of us.

Christopher Gronlund
Yeah, we’re all–

Tim Czarnecki
We all kind of left at the same time. I was going to have to leave Denton and move back to a small town far, far south of–

Christopher Gronlund
Hillsboro…

Tim Czarnecki
Far south of the DFW area called Hillsboro. I was going to have to move back with my parents. Now in my defense, the alternatives were living in my car or couch surfing, which was not really a thing back in the late 80s? I think that was?

Christopher Gronlund
Yeah, it was late — like ’88…’89, yeah?

Tim Czarnecki
But I happened to be driving home with probably the last of the stuff that I had in my apartment up in Denton, and I happened to be…it just-so-happened that Chris was driving on the same highway. This is a highway mind you.

Christopher Gronlund
I was coming off…I was actually coming home from a job at the sprout farm getting on 35. And I was like, “That looks like Tim’s car…”

Tim Czarnecki
So this guy chases me down in the car. We pull over to the side of the road and we chit-chat for a little while. And, basically, one thing led to another…he invited me to come up and visit them, and…I met a whole group of friends that really my formative friends: my friends, from my late 20s to mid 30s. You know, that was where I met many other people that became such a huge part of…of who I am today. And if it weren’t for Teach House USA and Chris chasing me down on a highway, it would have never have happened. So…

Christopher Gronlund
There you go. Well, neither of us believe in destiny. But–

Tim Czarnecki
That’s right.

Christopher Gronlund
That’s probably the closest I’ll ever come to going, “Ehhhh, okaaaaay…”

Tim Czarnecki
Yeah. [Laughter]

Christopher Gronlund
So, what did you think when it came to you asking if you wanted to play the narrator in “Waking the Lumberjack?”

Tim Czarnecki
Obviously, I was very flattered. I have listened to Not about Lumberjacks for quite some time. As well as, uhm, Hell Comes With Wood Paneled Doors, which we also enjoyed quite a bit. My…my wife is the one who got me to listen to that.

Christopher Gronlund
Yeah.

Tim Czarnecki
The whole way through. But Not About Lumberjacks is just the perfect length for me to listen to. It’s a perfect length story for me listen to while I’m working. Generally, I don’t listen to actual stories because I lose the thread too quickly if it’s a long form story. So this is…that’s one of the main reasons I started listening. Plus, it’s you — so of course I’m going to listen because I love it. I love your sense of humor. I love the way you think. And that just is a way for me to enjoy it when you’re not around. So yeah, I was flattered.

Christopher Gronlund
All right. Very, very cool. You did a very great job. And that’s not just me saying it. Other people who listen, really loved what you did. Do you have any background and acting? I mean, like, you could even go way back.

Tim Czarnecki
Well, I have to go way back. You know that when we’ve talked about every once in a while, when I was in high school, I got involved in drama. I didn’t really think I would be the kind of person to be good at it. I was relatively shy at that point. But once I did it, I was hooked and I really loved it. And even before then, back in the days of cassette tapes, I would record myself being all of the characters in a…in an offbeat episode of the Bugaloos or Sigmund and the Sea Monsters or something weird like that…and play it for my little sisters…who, thankfully, were young enough that they thought everything I did was hilarious.

Christopher Gronlund
[Laughter]

Tim Czarnecki
And they laughed all the way through despite how goofy it probably really was.

Christopher Gronlund
Man, that would be great to hear some of those old tapes. I don’t…

Tim Czarnecki
I don’t know if those even still exist anymore.

Tim Czarnecki
My sister and I, when I got one of the big oversized Star Wars comic books, we divvied up different roles and we did, like, a dramatic reading of the Star Wars comic.

Tim Czarnecki
[Laughter]

Christopher Gronlund
I wish…I think the only tape I have, thinking about it, is my friends up north, the Cacioppo brothers, crank calling people…and at one point my friend Paul and I threatened to beat up his little brother unless he sings “Run to the Hills” by Iron Maiden. So I have him, under forced duress, singing “Run to the Hills.” It’s…it’s horrible.

Tim Czarnecki
[Laughter] If only–

Christopher Gronlund
I think that’s the only cassette I have from my youth.

Tim Czarnecki
That…that sounds like something that would have been very popular back in the 80s to do on, like, the zoo radio type shows.

Christopher Gronlund
Yeah, I mean it was…you know, but it was like really stupid crank calls because we were seventh…eighth graders. But–

Tim Czarnecki
That’s the best time.

Christopher Gronlund
It…it really is. So…uhm…

We, you know…we’ve known each other 30 years. We used to do comic books together. Tim’s done logos and art that I’ve used in presentations. He was…actually, this is not Tim’s first appearance on Not About Lumberjacks. He was one of two people in Episode 16: Bobo…the one about the clown who yelled, “Fuck you, clown!” Tim and his son. But it’s been a long time since we really sat down and collaborated on something together. So…how was it again working with each other for you?

Tim Czarnecki
Oh, it was fantastic. That’s one of the things I miss most about being…really about being in my late 20s, early 30s…was the time that you and I and Mark would spend working on comic books and…and other projects together. Sometimes just…anything that we worked on — I had a good time. I really felt like…I really felt like you and Mark really pushed me to be a better artist back then. And you listened to my ideas when I had them. As you know, I’m a wellspring of ideas that come and go quickly, and if I don’t do something with them right away, they usually drop off to the wayside very, very quickly. But yeah, I…I loved collaborating with you again. It was a blast.

Christopher Gronlund
No…I…I had a complete blast, too, because the same thing. I mean, that whole time of our lives was neat, because somebody would come up with an idea. And instead of just, you know — now that we’re like, all in our, well…I’m in my — I’m 49. Tim’s in his early 50s. We’re all in our 40s and 50s. You don’t have, really, that ability to be like back then where, “Oh, I’ve got this idea!” And you know, then you talk about it, and then you move on. Back then it was like, “I’ve got this idea.” And then your friends are like, “All right, let’s do it!”

Tim Czarnecki
Right.

Christopher Gronlund
And next thing you know, the very night you come up with the idea, it’s like, “Holy crap — Tim’s already done concept sketches of the characters and all this,” And…that collaboration is something, as a novelist, and even just doing this because most of it is just me narrating. So actually, putting something together with other people was a lot of fun and kind of reminded me of those times.

Tim Czarnecki
Right. I agree.

Christopher Gronlund
Obviously I’ve wanted to work on something with you for some time. In this case, the voice that you use for the narrator…what really hit me, where it’s like, “We have to get Tim,” was we play Dungeons and Dragons every other week — and one week Tim just came up with this voice. And, you know, it was a little bit different than what you hear in the episode, but driving home my wife was even like, “You have to get Tim to do something for Not About Lumberjacks.”

And I was like, “Well, I mean…November I always do, for the anniversary of the show, I always do something that is not about lumberjacks, even though the word lumberjack often appears quite a bit in there.” So, uh…how much time do you put in [for] voices for the Dungeons and Dragons games that we play? And did that really help you in the role?

Tim Czarnecki
I think it did. And I think it would probably help me in other roles. It’s a little different in that when I’m doing the the voices for our D&D game, a…all of the dialogue is improvised. And when I’m sitting at the table, it’s usually just me interacting with you guys. So it’s much easier for me to kind of stay in that character and that character’s head space…and maybe do the voice more consistently.

I think when I was…when I was listening back, I was…all I could think to myself was, “I needed to slow it down just a little bit.” But I don’t ever hear myself at the table, except when I listen to the games that we play, which Chris is nice enough to record. That lets me hear what…how I’m doing on my voices, and I practice them all the time. I practice them when I’m in the shower — I do voices. When I’m working at my desk, because I’m by myself most of the time, talking to my dogs.

Christopher Gronlund
I was gonna say, but you have the dogs–

Tim Czarnecki
I have two.

Christopher Gronlund
One of whom is deaf…

Tim Czarnecki
One of whom is deaf and doesn’t hear me anyway. But when my…I…when my lips are moving, he always looks at me like I’m saying something to him. So I forget he’s deaf sometimes.

I practice voices all the time. I think it helps quite a bit. I think it helps you when you’re playing D&D as a…as a dungeon master. I’m sure this is true of most game masters that…especially ones that do silly voices at the table. You have a vision in your head of what this character is like. So you start imitating the…the gestures, the facial tics you think this character might have, and that helps make the voice consistent when you’re at the table. It’s a little bit different when you’re sitting in front of a…a microphone, especially when you’re not used to doing it. Which…this was the first time I had ever recorded anything for a podcast, so it was unusual, but I think it did help.

Christopher Gronlund
No–…And it was…it was really cool because I also sometimes run games. But one of the things with my voice is, even though it’s…you could kind of usually tell it’s me ’cause I sort of always sound a little stoned or something, even though I don’t get high. Even if it were legal — not my thing. But hey, we have stories about that from when we were younger…and the reason that it’s not a good idea for me to get stoned. But anyway…like my voice, I even…if I tried to do other voices, I have such a limited range. And that’s one of the things that I think is really impressive. And I think it’s…one of the reasons I asked this is I know you practice and you have that ability to just do all these different voices. And I think that’s one of your strengths. And it’s one of the reasons that were it’s like, “Yeah, let him be the dungeon master. He’s more fun than–

Tim Czarnecki
I don’t think that I’m necessarily more fun, but I’m glad you guys let me be the DM. It’s a lot of fun for me.

Christopher Gronlund
I think the only person that you had ever heard from the episode that you were in was Michael Howie…and that’s because he’s on a…an actual play podcast called The End of Time and Other Bothers. But what was it like hearing your voice mixed in with other people, most…mostly people that you don’t even know?

Tim Czarnecki
It was interesting. I felt like, as the narrator, there wasn’t as much interaction between the…my character in the audiodrama and the other characters. When I listened back I thought it was really…it was neat thinking that, “Oh, Chris just recorded his lines, and then so-and-so recorded their lines, and he just mashed all this together.” And to me, that’s a kind of magic that I just don’t quite understand. So it seemed amazing to me.

It did make it obvious to me, when I was listening, that I really needed to slow myself down a little bit — and I…and I wished that I had a more interesting natural voice. Like I said, when I hear me…when I listen to my voice, I hear me. That’s all I hear.

Christopher Gronlund
Yes.

Tim Czarnecki
And so, oh — I hear a guy who is talking through his nose and probably talking too fast…and doesn’t matter what character I think I’m trying to do. That’s what I hear in my head.

It…at first I was a little nervous about how I was going to stack up next to these people who do actual play podcast[s], who do voiceover work, who are really trained in this sort of thing, because I’m definitely an amateur. But it was neat to hear.

Christopher Gronlund
No… I…I had a blast putting it together and just hearing everybody come together. And…you know, just kind of going back to the game master thing: The other person who — even though you only hear him as the nice guy who comes up asking for autographs…uh, my friend Rocky Westbrook. He’s a game master and he’s kind of like you: he has that ability to just do just so many different voices. So…I guess if there’s a point there, it’s become a game…a game master for a role playing game and just practice those voices. ‘Cause you get…you definitely get the opportunity every couple of weeks.

Tim Czarnecki
And it’s a lot of fun.

Christopher Gronlund
Yeah. So now that you’ve done this once, if I ever came to you and said, “Hey, Tim, I have a role for you,” would you wanna do this again?

Tim Czarnecki
Absolutely. I would do it again in a heartbeat. I would, uh, probably even practice more than I did, and, uh, maybe have to go buy a cassette player so I could record myself beforehand to really nail the voice.

Christopher Gronlund
No, no, definitely. I understand that. I do have two things sometime in the future. I mean, obviously, I’m wrapping up a novel right now. But…one of ’em…sadly, you’d be playing an old man which–

Tim Czarnecki
[In a mock old man voice] I think I do a good old man voice. It comes naturally to me…

Christopher Gronlund
[Laughter] The saddest thing is that we’re starting to reach that age where…where you just do our normal voices. I mean it’s somebody’s grandpa, so.

But the other one is a demon and, uh…the…actually that whole demon thing came, again, from a D&D character that cracked me up.

Tim Czarnecki
[Laughter]

Christopher Gronlund
That…and it’s like, “God that voice has to be in, like, an audio drama, or even a ser…a short series,” because it cracked me up so…I’m glad that if I come to you and say, “Hey I’ve got an idea for ya,” that you’re willing to do it again.

Tim Czarnecki
Absolutely. So, if you listen to Chris on a regular basis and don’t want to hear my voice again, let him know right now.

Christopher Gronlund
Nah, everybody would want to hear you again…especially doing a demon.

Tim Czarnecki
[Laughter] I don’t know. I’d have to think about how the demon acts.

Christopher Gronlund
Yeah. Well he’s…he’s an ass. He’s pretty much the ch–…the character that you…I can’t even remember–

Tim Czarnecki
Oh, the mephits?

Christopher Gronlund
Yeah, the mephits–

Tim Czarnecki
That wanted to eat babies?

Christopher Gronlund
Yeah the one that, “I want to eat a baby–“

Tim Czarnecki
[Funny voice] I want to eat a baby…

Christopher Gronlund
That guy just cracked me up. It was like Louie DePalma from, you know, Taxi and crossed with a demon and…

Tim Czarnecki
Well just be thankful you only have to hear me do it every couple of weeks. My wife has to hear me do goofy voices all the time and…I don’t know if she thinks it’s as charming

Christopher Gronlund
[Laughter] I’m, yeah…Yeah maybe not.

Tim Czarnecki
Probably not. [Laughter]

Christopher Gronlund
Probably not. Well, is there anything else you want to say, Tim, before we go?

Tim Czarnecki
Just, thank you for the opportunity to be on Not about Lumberjacks…and to sit down and have a conversation with you. And for sharing beer with me.

Christopher Gronlund
Yes.

Tim Czarnecki
The time you and I and your lovely wife got to spend chatting beforehand.

Christopher Gronlund
Excellent. And speaking of beer, there’s one more beer, so we’re gonna go drink it.

Tim Czarnecki
Woo-hoo!

INTERVIEW ENDS

Christopher Gronlund
Writing fiction is lonely work. I’d not be the writer, or even the person I am today, had I not met Tim Czarnecki.

The times mentioned in the interview when Tim, his roommate, Mark Felps, and I were inseparable were some of the most important years of my writing life.

Last year when I interviewed Michael Howie for the Behind the Cut episode for “The Hidebehind,” I mentioned a line from Robin Sloan’s book Mr. Penumbra’s 24-Hour Bookstore that goes, “There is no immortality that is not built on friendship and work done with care.”

Those times working with Tim early on when I started writing will always live on in me.

It was such a pleasure working with him again…

Outro Theme Music Plays…

Thank you for listening to Not About Lumberjacks and Behind the Cut. Theme music for Behind the Cut is a tune called “Reaper” by Razen. Visit nolumberjacks.com for information about the music, the episodes, and the voice talent.

Next week, in honor of Christmas, I’m bringing back the literary stocking-stuffers in the form of a handful of micro fiction stories.

Until then, be mighty and keep your axes sharp.

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